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Sure, You've Heard of Chickenhawks,

Submitted by Rafique on Wed, 10/24/2007 - 1:43pm

but have you ever heard of chickendoves?

Double-reverse chickendoves, no less:

People who talk up war without going get slapped with chickenhawk slurs. Clearly Friedman’s no chickenhawk, at least not anymore. Chickenhawk slurs are slapped on people who support war and haven’t gone. ”Chickenhawk” gets tossed around by people who don’t feel the need to lift a finger in support of the peace they profess to love. Not a human shield among them.

Friedman presents us with something different. The double-reverse chickendove.War supporter turned surrender enthusiast makes ironic funny about how painful this war has been for him. The terrible barrage of headlines, slogging through all those long, bitter thumbsuckers. News is hell. But apparently, he hasn’t been reading it.

Hmmm..

HT: Instapundit

Good observation Tully.

Good observation Tully. I've followed Friedman over the years. Some metal gets stiff when you bend it repeatedly while other metal justs snaps. I wonder what cosmic message Friedman sees in this latest report. Yes, I wonder as Sunnis in Iraq continue to see the splits not only in AQ, but between neighbors like Syria and Turkey, Iran and Russia who fuels Syrian and Iranian desires. Isn't the US, Mr. Freidman, still the only nation willing to shed blood for Iraqi self-interest? Should the tide begin to shift, will Chickendove turn back into Chickenhawk?

Now let's back Friedman up to when Iraqi nuclear scientists were relocating in Syria. Let's go back to the Leftist chants of "sanctions kill Iraqi babies". Let's go back to the deliberate manipulation by Saddam to make the world, in particular Iran, believe he was up to "some" WMD questing (listen to his own words on cabinet tapes). Let's go back to those fat French and Russian energy contracts with Saddam. Let's go back to Damascus terror conventions and murder plots and Iranian hit squads in Europe. I suggest that Freidman get hold of himself and look out the window. Much of his global wet dreams hang in the balance. He will find three things...

1. It was very bad back in 2002 for all the reasons Freidman stated then, as he pushed bold internationalism in the golden age of globalization (something the NYT once aspired to).

2. AQ is hurt and divided. Saddam is no more. Ahadinejad is a monster to the West and friend to Putin. Turkey and the US are both after terrorists in Iraq. Syrian and Iranian strategy is under greater exposure and international sanctions. More nations are understanding the lines being drawn now, more than were with us after our invasion of Iraq. In short, news has been coming forth which either highlights positive gains by the West, or more opposition in the West to obvious escalation of threats by freedom's enemies enabled by several world powers and wannabes such as Kimmie and Belarus.

3. Nutrooters hate him for his economic advocacy, his internationalism and the idea of globalization. They did then and they do now.

My prediction is that at some point Friedman will turn Chickenhawk again, but even among Chickenhawks there is a moral code. You don't want to be called a Chickenchickenhawk. Then your credibility is about zero in the hawk camp, though doves are always accepting those who repent their belief in our American experiment. I believe it was Ben Franklin who suggested the Bald Eagle to be our nation's mascot. I don't believe any of our Founders suggested doves, though peace and tranquility was and is the goal of our strength and our continued opposition to threatening authoritarianism. Nope, Jefferson, Adams, Washington, Franklin, Madison, Paine, and others were hardly doves.

Some were Chickenhawks no doubt......

P.S. another reality Friedman might consider as many Chickendoves oppose sanctions on Iran. And Iranian hardly like the billions Iran is buying Assad with, let alone the quest for the bomb. Webb looked foolish tonight on a network interview defending Quds and openly distrusting Republicans on most foreign policy. What is the term for this transmutation?

Perhaps Friedman has simply watched too much cable.

Heads up, Max.

Heads up, Max. It's Rafique's post, not mine. I've been too laid up with a virus the last week for any serious analysis. If not for home wifi and my laptop, I'd have been almost entirely absent.

Since I've always thought that Friedman was bright but superficial, Crittenden strikes close to target for me. I'm seeing a lot of this nowadays--people who viewed the war through the prism of domestic politics, and are suffering some serious cognitive dissonance now that elections are approaching and that damned war is refusing to follow their personal narratives. Darn thing just won't stay in focus for them.

C'est la guerre. C'est la politique.

Sorry to hear that.

Hope you feel better. Rafique, sorry, my late night eyesight is going. "Chickendove" is something I would expect Tully to come up with for a post. LOL. Friedman is a bright guy and it's a shame to see him twist in the wind. If his reasoning however, was so sound three years ago, I wonder about the capitulations now under the political pressure. I used to enjoy reading his editorials though his books were a bit scattered. Perhaps he doesn't want to get booed at NYU when he lectures.

I meant the Great Seal Tully. Charles Thompson, Secretary of Congress designed the Great Seal. Jefferson, Franklin and Adams suggested the American Bald Eagle. A Turkey might have looked pretty funny.....

But in 1782, Congress made the Bald Eagle the U.S. National Bird. Franklin did want the Turkey instead because he thought the Eagle had bad moral character (wonder why he wanted it on the Great Seal).

I just can't see Turkey emblems on our military uniforms and equipment. "Houston, the Turkey has landed."

I wonder what Freidman's editorial position is on this or this Also notice that clandestine missiles fired from the Middle East do pass Poland on their way to any target in Europe. What would Friedman say if America, not Israel is presently in range and Iran called for the destruction of our country? He might conclude there are some logical problems with the Chickendove position. Perhaps globalization will defeat extremism? How many more nuclear programs would Freidman suggest the world ignore, especially those in countries supporting terrorism which Iran and Syria clearly do?

No big deal, Max. Your analysis was spot-on regardless.

Oh, and Tully, I hope you feel better.

"In the world you will find tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world."

John 16:33

Thanks Raf...

Good of you to examine the waivering Middle.

Certainly Bush lost opportunities out of stubbornesss and ignorance though the track recorded is far from the depiction the Left presents. I fear they will miss opportunities (and already have) out of intentional partisan denial and a rather illberal ideology. The best teams rarely blow chances, argue about the game plan and run exclusively on either defense or offense, running or passing or even hoping the weather will delay the inevitable.

There is so much more to the Syrian/Iranian story the Left wants to talk about. There is much going on between the West and Russia/China. Despite the early combat in Afghanistan, some on the Left (and in the military) think the Air Force should be carved up for the other branches while our adversaries were blown away by the concept of air warfare. How can leaders on both sides be so far apart on strategy, tactics and goals? The Middle might be the key to the outcome of this debate. Let's hope they show a bit more backbone than some journalists who once supported a more neoconservative approach to despots and terrorists with a happy, gift-giving liberal approach backed up by force. It won't work now without a credible stick, yes? I wonder what Freidman thinks retreat will do to his vaunted dreams of global prosperity. But then, I'm just repeating myself.......

Yeah, while the turkey is a

Yeah, while the turkey is a noble bird (the wild turkey, that is, the wily beast) it doesn't have quite the fear-striking awe-inspiring effect of the screamin' eagle.

I'll recover. My throat is back to where I can speak in better than a croak. :-)

Yes, croak is better than choke

Of course I meant to say above that there is so much about the Syrian/Iranian activities the Left DOESN'T want to talk about. Big difference. Your throat and my eyes...LOL

Well, we have the A-10 Warthog, why not the screaming Turkey? I fear some on the Left would prefer the Ostridge (did I spell that right?).

PS: Franklin didn't want the

PS: Franklin didn't want the bald eagle. He wanted the turkey. I think his reasoning was quite sound.

I wish that the bald eagle had not been chosen as the representative of our country, he is a bird of bad moral character, he does not get his living honestly, you may have seen him perched on some dead tree, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the labor of the fishing-hawk, and when that diligent bird has at length taken a fish, and is bearing it to its nest for the support of his mate and young ones, the bald eagle pursues him and takes it from him.... Besides he is a rank coward; the little kingbird, not bigger than a sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the district. He is therefore by no means a proper emblem for the brave and honest. . . of America.. . . For a truth, the turkey is in comparison a much more respectable bird, and withal a true original native of America . . . a bird of courage, and would not hesitate to attack a grenadier of the British guards, who should presume to invade his farmyard with a red coat on. --Benjamin Franklin

Audubon agreed, by the way. And if anyone knew his birds, it was Audubon. Being familiar with both (turkeys and eagles) I agree as well. Though I still catch my breath when I spot a baldie in the wild.

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