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A creative immigration proposal...

Submitted by Pat on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 10:02am

Yesterday, Simon posted on Michael Reynold's creative immigration proposal, to set a price tag for immigrating to this country, and open the borders to anybody who could meet that price tag. As I had been intending to respond to Michael's creative idea already, I'm posting separately, rather than just joining the comments.

As most here know, I'm not a hard-core anti-immigration guy. We are indeed a nation of immigrants, and there have always been debates over how much immigration is too much, too fast. Each new generation of immigrants is seen as shiftless, lazy, wanting to take advantage of us, unlike the last generation of immigrants, who were of course universally industrious, perfectly healthy, and capable of speaking perfect English.

I'm also on record opining that immigration is not, primarily, a law enforcement problem but an economic problem. While securing the border better than it is now is certainly a necessary component of addressing the immigration problem, it's far from the only necessary component. As long as there are literally millions of Mexicans who find conditions so intolerable in their own country that they see great economic advantage in moving to the United States, we're not going to be able to shut down the border. We're also not going to be able to afford to send INS (sorry, ICE) agents to deport any significant fraction of the 10 to 12 million illegal immigrants currently in the country.

For that reason, I admire Michael's efforts to think outside the box. We need to think a bit more outside the box to solve this problem. The anti-immigration crowd believes what the gun control crowd believes... if we just legislate against it enough, surely it will go away.

Alas, however, I think Michael solution is not the one. On the surface, it's very appealing. $20,000 ought to be a sign that one is relatively wealthy (accumulating $20,000 cash in a country like Mexico takes some doing). But it's not.

First, what's to stop the people from borrowing the money from the same organized networks that currently smuggle people into the country illegally? Put the $20k in the bank or in a bond, get into the U.S., and then withdraw it and pay it back (plus a hefty interest, of course). You could lessen this problem by requiring that the $20,000 remain in the bank or bond for a certain period of time, but then you've tied up the working capital of the immigrant, making it harder for them to prosper and increasing the likelihood of their needing government services.

There is already a fairly extensive network of criminal organizations which charge, heavily, to transport illegal immigrants into the U.S. Fees may range from $700 to $1200 for a simple delivery from Tijuana to Los Angeles, to more than $30,000 to make it from Asia to our shores.

The people wanting to come here don't have that much cash up front, so they come as indentured servants. They either spend much of their working career paying off the loan shark interest rates the smugglers charged or the smugglers take it out in trade... often as prostitutes or drug mules. The same people running this trade now would quickly set up a different business: Give the prospective immigrant $20,000 to put up for the American requirement. The immigrant agrees to shut down the account and repay the $20,000 as soon as he gets here. The interest payment is that the immigrant must swallow 10 balloons of heroin before getting on the flight over here.

Leaving the criminals aside, there are so many illegal immigrants here already, they could easily take $20,000 and pass it through several nuclear families within their extended family, using it as the seed money to get new folks in the door over and over again.

Michael's proposal would do nothing to stop the flood of poor immigrants, of course. We would need much tighter border security plus other economic reforms to accomplish that. There are, quite obviously, a lot of jobs available for poor immigrants to take at the moment. They won't stop coming just because we've let in a million smart, more well-to-do immigrants. The family that can put up $20,000 of their own money to come here won't be picking lettuce or cleaning hotel rooms or weed-eating our lawns.

So, Michael's proposal would do nothing to stop immigration by poor people. While it might give us more smart people, it would also depress the wages for smart people, simply by increasing the supply. Perhaps the supply would increase sufficiently so that the wages would decrease to level where we're competitive with India again for call support centers and programming farms. I don't know if that's a good thing or not.

No decrease of poor immigrants, a decrease in wages for the highly educated. I'm afraid that would be the end result if we were to implement your program, Michael.

My own proposal, which I believe I've made elsewhere, is similar, but on the other end of the financial spectrum: Allow relatively unrestricted immigration from residents of our southern neighbor countries, for a modest processing fee of maybe $1,000 and at least a cursory background check in their home country. As you say, we get the benefit of knowing who these folks are, having them fingerprinted, etc. on the way in. The price is competitive with what they're paying the mules already, it's attainable, it's much preferable in their mind then risking their life in a border crossing. Once here, they get their own social security number, cutting down on identity theft and requiring them to pay taxes. Wages and working conditions for the poor immigrants will go up, because the minimum wage law and OSHA will apply, and since they are legal, the immigrants need not fear being deported if they complain of violations of those laws. This will also decrease the relative advantage employers have to hire immigrants as a result of current sub-minimum wage and unsafe working conditions they can currently get away with imposing on illegal immigrants.

There's more to my proposal, but that will be for another post.

I should clarify that my

I should clarify that my proposal is not intended to address illegal immigration. It's intended to address the fact that we've made hundreds of billions (if not a trillion) of dollars' worth of promises that we cannot readily meet.

We're either going to have to seriously cut medicare and social security, or raise taxes to cover the gap, which would impoverish our children. Given that the elderly vote, and given that the elderly will soon include the massive Boomer generation, and given that people can seldom be induced to vote against their own short-term interests, I think the answer's going to be to raise taxes.

I don't like that answer because I want my children investing in their own lives, not buying my generation's heart pills.

Economists who pay attention to this do not seem to think that we can simply grow our way out of this problem under any realistic scenario. So I'm looking for a big pile of 'new' money. Ergo: highly productive immigrants.

Something else I'd add to

Something else I'd add to Michael's post is that he offhandedly says that once the deposit is made, "hop on a plane to JFK," which I realize in context is meant to connote only "come on over," but I would think that such a program could benefit from pushing economic investment and entrepreneurship into communities that need such an economic shot in the arm. You'd want to encourage people to move into and contribute to economic vibrancy of the southwest, the interior west, the midwest, the south and the great plains, not the coasts and Chicago.

That's what I thought, Michael...

That's what I thought, but I got confused by a couple of places where you seemed like you were proposing the solution partly because of the problems with poor immigrants.

We could combine our two proposals, a high-end route and a low-end route. Of course, then, nobody who could follow the low-end route would choose to follow the high-end route.

At any rate, my basic critique of your proposal is that the criteria ($20,000 in the bank) is not a good enough proxy to judge who is highly productive, and I don't think tweaking could make it so. Proof of prior jobs and salary, maybe. Proof of some level of post-graduate education, maybe. Or just leave it up to the free market, and allow anybody who can show they have a $100k+ job waiting for them the day they come off the plane...

Even with that, though, I'm not sure how easy it would be to create 1 million $100k+ a year jobs each year for the next 10 years. By quick calculation cribbing from Wikipedia figures citing U.S. Census Bureau data, there are about 19 million households making more than $100,000 per year. That's households, not people. If we conservatively reduce that further by assuming that 25% of those households make the cut because both parents are working in sub-$100k jobs, that leaves us maybe 14 million jobs making over $100k per year. You're talking about almost doubling that, through new workers, in a ten year period. Even when you offset that by aging boomers retiring, that's a large enough increase in supply that it's bound to reduce wages, at least in the short term, making it increasingly harder for next year's immigrants to find a good enough job to qualify.

Okay then just

let in those with a million or a great million dollar business which would mean they'll hire Americans to run US operations (well, restrict the percentage of work visas allowed to bring their foreign business employess). I hope our GDP will grow over the next ten years and we see more high paying jobs. Again, letting sucessful people come here might actual increase our productivity and create more jobs. I'm not sure letting in the rich will lower the ability of the Middle Class to step up a level.

Good points Pat

That was one reason why I placed poor immigrants, wealthy ones (who can show far more resources than $20,000) and national assets, which we need for various domestic and international considerations, as the three important groupings. Your critique of M?s idea is reasonable??

As far as relatively unrestricted immigration from South of the Border, this might make that a bad idea, but I understand your sentiment. With Chavez seeking life time dictatorship and with Islamist/Russian meddling (see Russia's threat to start producing intermediate range nukes), the threat from terror will increase from the south. Already, some have viewed recent attacks on Mexican oil lines as similar to AQ tactics.

I do agree that immigration reform can go a long way in blunting extremist appeal to our south. Economy plays both ways. Sending US imports to cheaper ports in Mexico and then sending them into the US via trucks, present security problems. I see the balance down the road as involving security v economics with the former reasonably trumping the latter. I also still support the idea of giving the world?s American loving wealthy more slots in entering the US.

Those bad guys are coming in anyway.

Those bad guys are coming in anyway. By opening the southern border for the working immigrants to come in easily, we reduce the number of illegal border crossings as a whole, and allow us to better assume that anybody crossing the border other than at a customs station is a highly dangerous individual, not just some poor man or woman looking for a better life.

And if the bad guys do come in the legal way, well, they would have gotten in anyway, and this way we have a photo and fingerprints and DNA of them.

You would think that with such

an excess of illegal immigrants, our government Intel can't hire many with a promise of reward to go back South and be our eyes and ears. How can we have such a hard time cracking the crap to our south with so many Hispanics here seeking citizenship? It isn't like infiltrating the Khyber or Anbar.

You have a point, but it will require more than a cursive background check which will cause huge choke points. I think your measure would force a national ID card, which might not be a bad thing.

I'll keep an eye out for the

I'll keep an eye out for the long form version of your proposal. (I know that, unlike me, you actually will take the time to work through the details. I do big picture only: a combination of laziness and . . . okay, just laziness.)

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