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Another nail in the coffin of Obama's "centrist" credentials

Submitted by Simon on Mon, 03/19/2007 - 6:28pm

Last month, I asked "[w]here has this weird idea that Obambi is a moderate or a centrist come from?!" and offered up some numbers to refute the suggestion.

Thus, I got a chuckle out of this:

Obama more liberal than Kucinich, analysis reveals

The most liberal member of Congress running for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination isn't Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio. It's Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois.

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The study, released this month by the National Journal, ... [produces] rankings ... based on comprehensive voting records. The 2006 scores, for example, were based on as many as 95 votes on such issues as federal spending, tax cuts, the war in Iraq, embryonic stem-cell research and border security.

On the Democratic side, the analysis of "lifetime" voting records shows Obama as the most liberal with a score of 84.3 after two full years in the Senate. The most liberal score possible was 99. ... Kucinich[] [scored] 79.4[,] ... [and Sen.] Clinton ... 78.8.

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Obama ... is more liberal on economic and foreign policy issues and slightly less liberal on social policies. Clinton and [Chris] Dodd are most liberal on social policy questions, less so on economic and foreign policy votes.

There may be many good reasons to like Obama, but for goodness sakes, don't like him because you're delusional enough to think he's a moderate. He isn't. There is not the slightest shred of credible evidence to suggest that he's any such thing, and voluminous evidence to suggest that behind that sheepy exterior and lupine smile lurks precisely the liberal wolf the smile suggests.

HT: The Corner

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More thoughts on Obama

I agree that Obama is a

I agree that Obama is a liberal, but I haven't seen anything where he has tried to disguise it (I really mean I haven't seen anything--I could be wrong and welcome correction).

I don't think he's tried to

I don't think he's tried to hide it at all. He just hasn't advertised it. He speaks in populist rhetoric, and people project their assumptions and desires on him. I actually find it refreshing, even though I'm unlikely to ever vote for him. (I won't say never--depends on the alternatives!)

still waiting

Obama is a liberal, and goshdarnit, people like him. The fact of his enduring popularity even though he's on the liberal side of the ledger suggests that the librul tag may have lost some of its sting.

Nothing Obama is selling strikes me as being out of the mainstream. He's no fringe nutjob. He's on the liberal side, as is Clinton and as are the vast majority of other democrats. Exactly how liberal is each person's individual mileage. The folks who pay heed to the national journal's rankings are by and large not folks who would consider voting democratic anyway, IMO.

All of which leaves Obama still a serious mainstream candidate whose ideas look like they'll get a fair hearing on their merits by the people. And that's a good thing. I don't think it does America any good when someone's views are dismissed because they've been tarred and feathered with a label.

Now if Obama's views are reviewed by the people on their merits and dismissed because the people think they're not right for America, then that's fine with me. That's how its supposed to work.

I'm still waiting for Simon to show us where folks said Obama was particularly centrist. He still hasn't done it. I'm left to include that it's a rhetorical straw man he's using for the sake of dramatic contrast. Wolf in sheep's clothing is so much more interesting a story than, hey look, a mammal that's a member of the wolf family.

But it's good to know that the esteemed national journal has proven he's a librul. Obviously, this is conclusive evidence which we must all bow to. FWIW, I've been waiting for this. Sooner or later, every credible democratic candidate for the Presidency finds his way into the top 5 of some partisan conservative ranking list. More than anything else, It's a rite of passage and a stamp of legitimacy.

Its similar to

McCain. Its the perception of being "open" regarding "none stereotypic" issues (i.e. faith and the liberal viewpoint). Its nice to counteract stereotypes, but you've got to do more than that. And as pointed out above, there's also the "likeability" factor. No one would ever accuse Dennis Kucinich of being warm and fuzzy.
Chris

a moderate personality

Obama's perceived moderateness is a function of the confusion between personality versus substantive politics. Barack appears to be a likeable, considered, soft-spoken chap, as c3 notes. So his personality is moderate, even if his politics aren't. Television magnifies the personal; nothing new here. I doubt if the perception changes much.

Precisely - "how could such

Precisely - "how could such a nice, pleasent guy be a liberal wacko? He talks like a moderate, ergo, he must be a moderate."

The mistake is in thinking

The mistake is in thinking that just because someone has a different political philosophy they must be a whacko nutjob. I mean, he doesn't even have pointy vampire teeth!

Seriously, in local politics you quickly learn to distinguish between "same general goals, different thinking and approach" and "rabid frothing idiot-logical partisan." The former is desirable, the latter to be avoided. An RFILP will do anything to reach an ideological goal, and consequences to the body politic and other innocents be damned. An SGDA will work cross-aisle to produce actual results.

Gimme an SGDA any time.

Surely, but which is Obama?

Surely, but which is Obama? That's the question! ;)

Put it this way, Barack

Put it this way, Barack recently mentioned that he would institute national health insurance by the end of his first term. Little fanfare ensued. If Hillary makes the same claim, it's a huge deal. The difference? It's a function of Hillary's harsh edge versus Barack's pleasantness. Go figure.

He is indeed a very pleasant

He is indeed a very pleasant guy in public.

My point was that people mistake "nice" for "agrees with me."

He's a Rohrshchach.

My point was that people

My point was that people mistake "nice" for "agrees with me."

Agreed, which is what makes him a very good candidate.

Saleable, anyway.

Saleable, anyway.

Teflon II

I agree with both of you, although Justin's more on point. Barack has Reagan's Teflon potential. Reagan's affable and pleasant personality overrode some of his more radical policy stances. Simply, voters liked him, and resolved any cognative dissonance vis-a-vis his policies by voting for him. So Justin's right- it's an invaluable asset in elective politics.

Indeed it is.We get to

Indeed it is.

We get to watch that in effect locally right now, too. Both in forward and reverse. :-)

cognitive dissonance

Yup, that's quite an insight, a dynamic that folks wishing to understand human nature would do well to understand.

The following is a straightforward relationship that most folks see.

You treat people you like nicely, and you treat people you don't like less nicely.

Everyone understands that and does it to some extent. (Obviously folks with good manners treat everyone politely in most instances, but the above still holds.) But what folks don't generally understand is that the converse is also true:

If you treat someone nicely, you will like them more. And if you treat someone not very nicely, you will like them less.

I don't have a cite, but IIRC from years as a psych undergrad, various studies have confirmed this. As it applies to politics, once you vote for or against a person, your feelings about that candidate will move in a predictable direction.

It's something that can be hard to accept. People are fine with the idea that our feelings influence our actions, but they don't necessary like the idea that our actions can alter our feelings towards someone.

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